Kelly Bernard Chadwick grew up in and around Tassajara, the SFZC City Center, and Green Gulch Farm. He is my older son. His mother is my first wife, Daya Goldschlag who now has a Zen group in Spokane, Washington, where Kelly is an arborist and has a business there called Spirit Pruners. Listen to our podcast and read more about him and his recent work at Tassajara - https://cuke.com/f.