Whether Buddha appeared or not, there is truth. But if
there is no one who realizes the truth, the truth means nothing to us. So in
this sense we say the manifestation of truth is
Sangha. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Excerpt from Shunryu Suzuki lecture 67-06-11 as found on shunryusuzuki.com. Edited by DC - Many Shunryu Suzuki lecture excerpts on cuke.com - from there links to much more. Going slowly through Suzuki transcripts featuring whatever is next that seems okay, not just the super cool ones,.