As we are pretty new students, so it is rather difficult to practice our way without much rules, but each one of you should make your best effort to study without instruction in detail, without detailed instruction. --------------------------- Excerpt from Shunryu Suzuki lecture - 68-12-29 as found on shunryusuzuki.com. Edited by DC - Going through Suzuki lectures and posting anything that can stand on its own. Not looking for zingers or "the best of." I find that following these excerpts daily provides another way to experience Suzuki's teaching.