So actually, what we do in the same, and what we will attain is same. But, you know, what you attain is something completely different than what you expected. --------------------------- Excerpt from Shunryu Suzuki lecture - 69-03-10 - as found on shunryusuzuki.com. Edited by DC - Going through Suzuki lectures and posting anything that can stand on its own. Not looking for zingers or "the best of." I find that following these e,xcerpts daily provides another way to experience Suzuki's teaching