Although the great teacher Nansen and his disciple Joshu have this kind of discussion, it does not mean anything to those who do not understand the true way. But it will give us some suggestion, and it will give us some encouragement to practice our way -- Rinzai student or Soto student. --------------------------- Excerpt from Shunryu Suzuki lecture - 69-03-10 - as found on shunryusuzuki.com. Edited by DC - Going through Suzuki lectures and posting anything that can stand on its own. Not lookig for zingers or "the best of." I find that following these e,xcerpts daily provides another way to experience Suzuki's teaching