I've known Scott Phillips since he was a kid due to the fact that his father is old ZC friend and mine more importantly Michael Phillips. I'd see Scott at Michael's now and then and hear he was into marshal arts. When Elin, tot Clay, and I lived in Gerstle Park in San Rafael, CA, I'd find Scott teaching some sort of marshal arts class in the park at least once a week - that was 93 to 96. I'd lost touch but now Michael sends me this impressive conversation and visual presentation. - dc