If some Zen master drinks a lot of sake, you may think the best way to obtain enlightenment is to take a lot of sake [laughs]. But even though you take a lot of sake as he does [laughs, laughter], you will not attain enlightenment [laughs, laughter]. --------------------------- Excerpt from Shunryu Suzuki lecture - 69-03-15 - as found on shunryusuzuki.com. Edited by DC - Going through Suzuki lectures and posting anything that can stand on its own. Not lookig for zingers or "the best of." I find that following these e,xcrpts daily provides another way to experience Suzuki's teaching.