This selflessness is very difficult to understand. If you try to be selfless, that is already selfish idea. [Laughs.] We don't know what to do--how to cope with it. Perhaps you may have tried various ways, but selflessness is not something which you can try, you know. It should be there when you do not try anything. Selflessness is not something which you can be aware of. But for us it is necessary to know how difficult it is. --------------------------- Excerpt from Shunryu Suzuki lecture - 69-03-16 - as found on shunryusuzuki.com. Edited by DC - Going through Suzuki lectures and posting anything that can stand on its own. Not looking for zingers or "the best of." I find that following these excerpts daily provides another way to experience Suzuki's teaching.