That you have problem means you have not yet [taps five times with stick-- once for each of previous five words], you know, surrendered enough. [Taps several times.] --------------------------- Excerpt from Shunryu Suzuki lecture - 69-03-15 - as found on shunryusuzuki.com. Edited by DC - Going through Suzuki lectures and posting anything that can stand on its own. Not looking for zingers or "the best of." I find that following these excerpts daily provides another way to experience Suzuki's teaching.