SR: Yeah. If you know that point, you know-- it is necessary to know-- to understand that much. Without understanding it, if you push one way always-- one side always, that will be awful. So at least we should know both sides. Then the rules we have will help us. But because we don't know the other side, rules don't help at all-- makes us worse. --------------------------- Excerpt from Shunryu Suzuki lecture - 69-03-15 - as found on shunryusuzuki.com. Edited by DC - Going through Suzuki lectures and posting anything that can stand on its own. Not looking for zingers or "the best of." I find that following these excerpts daily provides another way to experience Suzuki's teaching.