It is rather difficult to explain how to be concentrated on this point. There are many koans and sayings on this point. And those sayings look like they are very different, but [laughs] actually they are all the same. Ordinary mind is tao, you know. --------------------------- Excerpt from Shunryu Suzuki lecture - 69-03-30 - as found on shunryusuzuki.com. Edited by DC - Going through Suzuki lectures and posting anything that can stand on its own. Not looking for zingers or "the best of." I find that following these excerpts daily provides another way to experience Suzuki's teaching.