So this kind of paradoxical statement could be understand just by your tummy, you know, by your zazen, or else you don't understand. --------------------------- Excerpt from Shunryu Suzuki lecture - 69-04-19 - as found on shunryusuzuki.com. Edited by DC - Going through Suzuki lectures and posting anything that can stand on its own. Not looking for zingers or "the best of." I find that following these excerpts daily provides another way to experience Suzuki's teaching. Got to https://www.instagram.com/cuke_archives/ for more daily Shunryu Suzuki lecture excerpts - with a photo.