So, characteristic of Buddhist understanding of causality is: one way is mechanical, and we do not ignore freedom. On the other hand, it is teleological, and we do not believe in any perfection. But people believe in perfection, this is a mistake. So, we should be free from those three mistakes: to have idea of perfection as a human bein and to be bound by causality, or to ignore the theory of cause and effect. These three points, at least as far as I know, should be understand to understand causality in its true sense. --------------------------- Excerpt from Shunryu Suzuki lecture - 66-08-17N - as found on shunryusuzuki.com, from one of the newly discovered (2021) lecture tapes. Edited by DC - Going through Suzuki lectures and posting anything that can stand on its own. Not looking for zingers or "the best of." I find that following these excerpts daily provides another way to experience Suzuki's teaching. Go to https://www.instagram.com/cuke_archives/ for more daily Shunryu Suzuki lecture excerpts - with a photo.