Enlightenment and ignorance are quite a different quality. They are a pair of opposites. Because they are opposite, they have value. If it were possible to join enlightenment and ignorance, you may strive for [laughs] attain enlightenment by materialistic way, and with some money or sitting many, many years [laughs, laughter]. You may try. But, I don't think it is possible because they are two complete different qualities. --------------------------- Excerpt from Shunryu Suzuki lecture - 66-08-17N - as found on shunryusuzuki.com, from one of the newly discovered (2021) lecture tapes. Edited by DC - Going through Suzuki lectures and posting anything that can stand on its own. Not looking for zingers or "the best of." I find that following these excerpts daily provides another way to experience Suzuki's teaching. Go to https://www.instagram.com/cuke_archives/ for more daily Shunryu Suzuki lecture excerpts - with a photo.