We say “absolute surrender.” But you have nothing to surrender. If you have something to surrender, it is usual way. But we have nothing to surrender. But you should find out always yourself. --------------------------- Excerpt from Shunryu Suzuki lecture - 69-03-15 - as found on shunryusuzuki.com. Edited by DC - Going through Suzuki lectures and posting anything that can stand on its own. Not looking for zingers or "the best of." I find that following these excerpts daily provides another way to experience Suzuki's teaching.