If I talk about something, that is already Dharma Nature. How dharma goes, what it is like. Objectively speaking, that is form. More subjectively speaking, it is its nature. But what is the source of nature? No one knows [laughs]. We know it, but we cannot say anything about it. If you say something, it is not body. It is nature. Or it is an attribute of the body. So, we do not talk about what Dharma Body is. But we understand that there must be some source.
Stylized images of hands on the walls of The Caves rockshelter.
Photo by L. S. Sleven; courtesy of the Monterey County Public Library.
—cuke.com/ig for links to the source of the photo. Excerpt from Shunryu Suzuki lecture 68-10-00-B as found on shunryusuzuki.com, edited by PF. Go to instagram.com/cuke_archives for the Instagram version.