Both are true

If someone asks you, “What is Zen?” you may say, “Whatever you say, that is Zen.” [Laughs.] And you may say, at the same time, “Whatever you say, it is not Zen.” [Laughs.] Both is true for us.                  --------------------------- Excerpt from Shunryu Suzuki  lecture - 69-04-19 - as found on shunryusuzuki.com. Edited by DC  - Going through Suzuki lectures and posting anything that can stand on its own. Not looking for zingers or "the best of." I find that following these excerpts daily provides another way to experience Suzuki's teaching. Got to https://www.instagram.com/cuke_archives/ for more daily Shunryu Suzuki lecture excerpts - with a photo.